We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." andpleading with her to take off her mask? Crumb Eye. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? Take another listen. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Web .
1925 . The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! ME> Again. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" It was a party nevertheless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. <<<<<<<<. He didn't recognise her voice. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. This is simple. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." How? ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. WebSynopsis. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. Is that how > you> would describe it? Was she the women at the party?" But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. How doesshe know this? - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? What a joke to call them "philosophers." Put on some headphones and listen. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. 1. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. The masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch archives... 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